Cómo se libró Austria de entrar en el bloque comunista?

Stalin queria dejar a Austria y a Alemania como zonas neutrles entre los aliados y los sovieticos para qaue asi no hubiese ningun tipo de tension fronteriza entre los dos bloques. En austria sale bien la jugada, mientras que en alemania en el 49 se proclama la RFA a lo que los soviets contratacasn creando la RDA.
 
Cuanta tontería hay que ver. Al me gusta la fruta de estalin le interesaba una Austria bajo el telon, y todo territorio cuanto pudiera bajo el telon. Por eso tan pronto como entraron en Viena proclamaron la independencia de Austria, que repito, era algo que NO reclamaba USA, fue iniciativa roja.

Y si esa Austria independiente se libro del telon, es porque USA se apresuro a entrar rapidito desde Baviera a Salzburgo, Tirol y tomar la mitad oeste, precisamente para no dejar al pais en garras de la guano roja. Que antes de que acabara la guerra ya se dieron cuenta de con que me gusta la fruta se habian asociado.
 
Cuanta tontería hay que ver. Al me gusta la fruta de estalin le interesaba una Austria bajo el telon, y todo territorio cuanto pudiera bajo el telon. Por eso tan pronto como entraron en Viena proclamaron la independencia de Austria, que repito, era algo que NO reclamaba USA, fue iniciativa roja.

Y si esa Austria independiente se libro del telon, es porque USA se apresuro a entrar rapidito desde Baviera a Salzburgo, Tirol y tomar la mitad oeste, precisamente para no dejar al pais en garras de la guano roja. Que antes de que acabara la guerra ya se dieron cuenta de con que me gusta la fruta se habian asociado.

A ver, puñetero estulto embustero.

¿De veras esperas que nos creamos que los EEUU tenían intención de respetar el Anchluss hitleriano? No mientas con tanto descaro, destapando tu condición de cafre anglosionista, que no nos chupamos el dedo.

Lee esto, me gusta la fruta mentiroso. Es una declaración conjunta firmada por los representantes de los EEUU, Reino Unido, la URSS y China sobre las condiciones de la paz una vez hubieran sido derrotadas las potencias del Eje. Esta fechada en octubre de 1943. Dedican un apartado a Austria y dejan bien clarito que ésta debería volver a ser independiente de Alemania.

The governments of the United States of America, United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and China;

United in their determination, in accordance with the declaration by the United Nations of January, 1942, and subsequent declarations, to continue hostilities against those Axis powers with which they respectively are at war until such powers have laid down their arms on the basis of unconditional surrender;

Conscious of their responsibility to secure the liberation of themselves and the peoples allied with them from the menace of aggression;

Recognizing the necessity of insuring a rapid and orderly tras*ition from war to peace and of establishing and maintaining international peace and security with the least diversion of the world's human and economic resources for armaments;

Jointly declare:

1. That their united action, pledged for the prosecution of the war against their respective enemies, will be continued for the organization and maintenance of peace and security.

2. That those of them at war with a common enemy will act together in all matters relating to the surrender and disarmament of that enemy.

3. That they will take all measures deemed by them to be necessary to provide against any violation of the terms imposed upon the enemy.

4. That they recognize the necessity of establishing at the earliest practicable date a general international organization, based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all peace-loving states, and open to membership by all such states, large and small, for the maintenance of international peace and security.

5. That for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security pending the re-establishment of law and order and the inauguration of a system of general security they will consult with one another and as occasion requires with other members of the United Nations, with a view to joint action on behalf of the community of nations.

6. That after the termination of hostilities they will not employ their military forces within the territories of other states except for the purposes envisaged in this declaration and after joint consultation.

7. That they will confer and cooperate with one another and with other members of the United Nations to bring about a practicable general agreement with respect to the regulation of armaments in the post-war period.

DECLARATION REGARDING ITALY

The Foreign Secretaries of the United States, the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union have established that their three governments are in complete agreement that Allied policy toward Italy must be based upon the fundamental principle that Fascism and all its evil influence and configuration shall be completely destroyed and that the Italian people shall be given every opportunity to establish governmental and other institutions based on democratic principles.

The Foreign Secretaries of the United States and the United Kingdom declare that the action of their governments form the inception of the invasion of Italian territory, in so far as paramount military requirements have permitted, has been based upon this policy.

In furtherance of this policy in the future the Foreign Secretaries of the three governments are agreed that the ***owing measures are important and should be put into effect:

1. It is essential that the Italian Government should be made more democratic by inclusion of representatives of those sections of the Italian people who have always opposed Fascism.

2. Freedom of speech, of religious worship, of political belief, of press and of public meeting, shall be restored in full measure to the Italian people, who shall be entitled to form anti-Fascist political groups.

3. All institutions and organizations created by the Fascist regime shall be suppressed.

4. All Fascist or pro-Fascist elements shall be removed from the administration and from institutions and organizations of a public character.

5. All political prisoners of the Fascist regime shall be released and accorded full amnesty.

6. Democratic organs of local government shall be created.

7. Fascist chiefs and army generals known or suspected to be war criminals shall be arrested and handed over to justice.

In making this declaration the three Foreign Secretaries recognize that so long as active military operations continue in Italy the time at which it is possible to give full effect to the principles stated above will be determined by the Commander-in-Chief on the basis of instructions received through the combined chiefs of staff.

The three governments, parties to this declaration, will, at the request of any one of them, consult on this matter. It is further understood that nothing in this resolution is to operate against the right of the Italian people ultimately to choose their own form of government.

DECLARATION ON AUSTRIA

The governments of the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union and the United States of America are agreed that Austria, the first free country to fall a victim to Hitlerite aggression, shall be liberated from German domination.

They regard the annexation imposed on Austria by Germany on March 15, 1938, as null and void. They consider themselves as in no way bound by any charges effected in Austria since that date. They declare that they wish to see re-established a free and independent Austria and thereby to open the way for the Austrian people themselves, as well as those neighboring States which will be face with similar problems, to find that political and economic security which is the only basis for lasting peace. Austria is reminded, however that she has a responsibility, which she cannot evade, for participation in the war at the side of Hitlerite Germany, and that in the final settlement account will inevitably be taken of her own contribution to her liberation.


STATEMENT ON ATROCITIES

Signed by President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill and Premier Stalin.

The United Kingdom, the United States and the Soviet Union have received from many quarters evidence of atrocities, massacres and cold-blooded mass executions which are being perpetrated by Hitlerite forces in many of the countries they have overrun and from which they are now being steadily expelled. The brutalities of nancy domination are no new thing, and all peoples or territories in their grip have suffered from the worst form of government by terror. What is new is that many of the territories are now being redeemed by the advancing armies of the advancing armies of the liberating powers, and that in their desperation the recoiling Hitlerites and Huns are redoubling their ruthless cruelties. This is now evidenced with particular clearness by monstrous crimes on the territory of the Soviet Union which is being liberated from Hitlerites, and on French and Italian territory.

Accordingly, the aforesaid three Allied powers, speaking in the interest of the thirty-two United Nations, hereby solemnly declare and give full warning of their declaration as ***ows:

At the time of granting of any armistice to any government which may be set up in Germany, those German officers and men and members of the nancy party who have been responsible for or have taken a consenting part in the above atrocities, massacres and executions will be sent back to the countries in which their abominable deeds were done in order that they may be judged and punished according to the laws of these liberated countries and of free governments which will be erected therein. Lists will be compiled in all possible detail from all these countries having regard especially to invaded parts of the Soviet Union, to Poland and Czechoslovakia, to Yugoslavia and Greece including Crete and other islands, to Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France and Italy.

Thus, Germans who take part in wholesale shooting of Polish officers or in the execution of French, Dutch, Belgian or Norwegian hostages of Cretan peasants, or who have shared in slaughters inflicted on the people of Poland or in territories of the Soviet Union which are now being swept clear of the enemy, will know they will be brought back to the scene of their crimes and judged on the spot by the peoples whom they have outraged.

Let those who have hitherto not imbrued their hands with innocent blood beware lest they join the ranks of the guilty, for most assuredly the three Allied powers will pursue them to the uttermost ends of the earth and will deliver them to their accusors in order that justice may be done.

The above declaration is without prejudice to the case of German criminals whose offenses have no particular geographical localization and who will be punished by joint decision of the government of the Allies.

Source:
A Decade of American Foriegn Policy : Basic Documents, 1941-49
Prepared at the request of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
By the Staff of the Committe and the Department of State.
Washington, DC : Government Printing Office, 1950

The Avalon Project : The Moscow Conference, October 1943

A la ralea como tú que miente descaradamente en un foro sobre temas históricos se le debería sancionar cada vez que ensucia hilos con mentiras manifiestas como las que tú has vertido en este hilo.
 
¿Por qué Francia fue uno de los cuatro que se repartieron el control de Alemania cuando en la guerra y la victoria no pintaron nada y encima colaboraron con los nazis tanto?
 
Porque Stalin era un moñas.. debería haber bajado los tanques hasta Sudafrica
 
Austria tiene que volver a unirse a Alemania, y hacerlo ya. Es insultante. Es como si Andalucia tuviera que ser independiente porque asi lo ordena el sultan jovenlandés. Venga a la meirda ya el puñetero kremlin hombre. A ver si revienta ese puñetero pais artificial en mil pedazos ya.
 
Austria tiene que volver a unirse a Alemania, y hacerlo ya. Es insultante. Es como si Andalucia tuviera que ser independiente porque asi lo ordena el sultan jovenlandés. Venga a la meirda ya el puñetero kremlin hombre. A ver si revienta ese puñetero pais artificial en mil pedazos ya.

Eso habría que preguntárselo a los austriacos mediante referendum, y me parece a mí que a día de hoy ganaría el NO. Además, ambos países forman parte de la UE y encima están en zona Schengen y comparten moneda; en la situación actual, ya no es necesario que Austria se una a Alemania.
 
Austria tiene que volverse a Hungría e invadir otra vez Serbia, shishi ña, que sois todos unos moñas, a la cosa fruta, shishi. :roto2:

(mode Mister White off)
 
Los rusos no se fueron hasta 1955, y su dia nacional conmemora ese hecho.

Además se le obligo a tener una bandera con una aguila con una hoz y un martillo en sus garras rompiendo unas cadenas, algo ridículo.
La industria austriaca esta y estaba en Linz, no en Viena.
 
Eso habría que preguntárselo a los austriacos mediante referendum, y me parece a mí que a día de hoy ganaría el NO. .

Pero que ofensa.Segun la doctrina del facherio patrio a quien habria que preguntar a Alemania,porque "les afecta".Para el buen eppaño cuñado es Alemania quien decide sobre Austria ,Serbia sobre croacia y Rusia sobre los estonios.:roto2:
 
Cuanta tontería hay que ver. Al me gusta la fruta de estalin le interesaba una Austria bajo el telon, y todo territorio cuanto pudiera bajo el telon. Por eso tan pronto como entraron en Viena proclamaron la independencia de Austria, que repito, era algo que NO reclamaba USA, fue iniciativa roja.

Y si esa Austria independiente se libro del telon, es porque USA se apresuro a entrar rapidito desde Baviera a Salzburgo, Tirol y tomar la mitad oeste, precisamente para no dejar al pais en garras de la guano roja. Que antes de que acabara la guerra ya se dieron cuenta de con que me gusta la fruta se habian asociado.

Austria no formó parte del Imperio alemán cuando éste se constituyó.

Austria sólo formó parte de Alemania 7 años durante el III Reich.

A día de hoy los austriacos quieren seguir siendo independientes.

En resumidas cuentas, no es que seas ignorante, es que eres la peor clase de ignorante que hay, el que además de ser profundamente ignorante se cree que sabe algo.

Tu sitio está en la Guardería hablando de tus problemas de rigidez* o de tus fracasos sentimentales, no en este subforo.
 
¿Tendrá algo que ver que Hitler era austriaco?

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Porque Stalin era un moñas.. debería haber bajado los tanques hasta Sudafrica

No sé hasta donde debería haber llegado, pero sí sé que dejó tirados a los comunistas griegos y a la II República Española (aquí pudo llegar mucho más de las perversoss armamentos que llegaron).
 
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