Guia para el absoluto novato en Bitcoin

Si no me tienes en ignorados todavía, me vas a perdonar que te cite de otro foro, y además en inglés, pero es que me ha sorprendido mucho leer esto:

muyuu dijo:
But the thing is, short term, it's going to be hard to convince people to put a large sum for BTC when it can move 40% either way in 2 days. People don't want to deal with this kind of preoccupation in their day-to-day life. As it stands, prices won't be decided any time soon in BTC unless it keeps some kind of stability against major currencies or commodities. This is a massive barrier for adoption.

Mensaje original: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101670.msg1114113#msg1114113

Mi respuesta a eso es: ¡Te lo dije!

Si al final vamos a estar de acuerdo y todo. Una "cosa" que pueda oscilar un 30% en cuestión de horas, como ha sucedido este fin de semana, nunca será apropiada ni aceptada como moneda. Jamás.

Mi pregunta por tanto sigue en pie: ¿Tiene bitcoin algún mecanismo que estabilice su valor? ¿O tal vez se confía en que tal cosa suceda "por arte de magia"?

¿Acaso se ha "estabilizado" por ejemplo el precio del oro en todos sus años de historia? (los periodos de patrón-oro lógicamente no cuentan)

Y si no ha ocurrido con el oro, ¿por qué habría de ocurrir con el bitcoin?
 
Efectivamente estás en ignorados y normalmente no me molesto en responder tus troleos. Bitcoin sigue siendo volátil, no hay discusión al respecto.

Esto ya está respondido en otro hilo, y te agradecería que no te dirigieras a mí en este foro porque paso de perder el tiempo contigo.

Este hilo es una guía para el novato y el otro un hilo para hablar del rally. Lo único que me vas a sacar es reportes por trolear los hilos con tu rollo. Ábrete un hilo si eso.
 
DailyTech - "Pirateat40" Makes Off $5.6M USD in BitCoins From Pyramid Scheme
"Pirateat40" Makes Off $5.6M USD in BitCoins From Pyramid Scheme
Jason Mick (Blog) - August 28, 2012 4:11 PM

Bitcoin investors fall for classic Ponzi ploy

Bitcoins, everyone's favorite quasi-legal internet currency, are still lingering around thanks to strong support from the hacker, future, and technopunk communities. Prices remain off their record highs, but at $10.97 USD per Bitcoin at last count [source], the currency has legitimate value.

The first rule of Bitcoins is to guard your digital treasure wisely. After all, the currency is denationalized, and has no central governmental regulators (though blatant fraud attempts are combatted by the community). Bitcoins are oft stolen from those who don't strongly encrypt their wallets. Thus most experienced Bitcoin users exercise a healthy degree of caution when storing and spending their hard-earned digital cash.

That makes the strange and sordid tale of the Bitcoin Savings & Trust and its originator "pirate40" all the odder.

Apparently, a number of Bitcoin users were lured to invest their Bitcoins in this digital hedge fund, which promised lucrative payouts. But like many things too good to be true, it probably was -- BS&T is being billed as a "pyramid scheme" and reportedly pirateat40 has pulled a Bernie Madoff and made off with 500K worth of Bitcoins ($5.49M USD).

Last week pirateat40 sought to assuage concerned investors, writing, "Once my process is released you'll understand more of how coins move around."

But this week pirateat40 did offer a vague sort of explanation that sounds kind of like an admission that the fund was pyramidal in structure:

The decision was based on the general size and overall time required to manage the tras*actions. As the fund grew there were larger and larger coin movements which put strain on my reserve accounts and ultimately caused delays on withdraws and the inability to fund orders within my system. On the 14th I made a final attempt to relieve pressure off the system by reducing the rates I offered for deposits. In a perfect world this would allow me to hold more coins in reserve outside the system, but instead it only exponentially increased the amount of withdrawals overnight causing mass panic from many of my lenders.
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The fund's chat room has an away message from the boss commenting "When I know, you will."

Upset investors are flocking to Bitcoin boards crying a common tune -- "WHERE ARE MY BITCOINS?"

Initially BS&T claimed the 'coins would arrive with interest in just a week. Now it comments that there is "no ETA on payments." While there are many losers in the scheme, some investors who got out in time actually gained; after all, like most Ponzi schemes BS&T initially attracted attention by paying out large amounts of interest to early adopters before reaching critical mass and imploding.

Some duped investors have taken to trying to hunt down the pesky pirateat40. There are rumors that he is based in Texas. But short of extracting some good old fashioned (and wholly illegal) vigilante justice, it's unclear what the scammed can do. Bitcoin Ponzi schemes are growing more frequent -- one lawsuit in California [Scribd] has already taken up the issue. But it remains to be seen how seriously the courts will take the cyber-currency, given that it's founded on a rather anti-nation premise.

And of course, the onus for these losses largely rests on those who sent someone named "pirateat40" actual money, and failing to recognize the classic signs of a Ponzi scheme -- inflated interest rates, shadowy management, and unrealistic promises.
 
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Este hilo es una guía para el novato
Esa es una excusa muy pobre para no admitir las críticas. El que abra un hilo titulado "guía para el novato en espiritismo" o "guía para el novato en lectura de los posos del café" se arriesga a que le digan en el propio hilo que se trata de un fraude, por mucho que el hilo vaya dedicado al "novato".
y el otro un hilo para hablar del rally. Lo único que me vas a sacar es reportes por trolear los hilos con tu rollo.
Manda bemoles. Si hay algo reportable aquí es hacer apología descarada de un sistema piramidal.

Como si no hubiéramos tenido suficiente con los tulipanes, los sellos de Afinsa, o las "inversiones" de Madoff.
 
Mmm... otro caso de "juankeo".
Hacker steals $250k in Bitcoins from online exchange Bitfloor | Ars Technica
Hacker steals $250k in Bitcoins from online exchange Bitfloor
Irreversible tras*actions make Bitcoin security a high-stakes business.

by Timothy B. Lee - Sep 5, 2012 1:20 am UTC

The future of the up-and-coming Bitcoin exchange Bitfloor was thrown into question Tuesday when the company's founder reported that someone had compromised his servers and made off with about 24,000 Bitcoins, worth almost a quarter-million dollars. The exchange no longer has enough cash to cover all of its deposits, and it has suspended its operations while it considers its options.

Bitfloor is not the first Bitcoin service brought low by hackers. Last year, the most popular Bitcoin exchange, Mt.Gox, suspended operations for a week after an attacker compromised a user account and sold all of his Bitcoins in a firesale that temporarily pushed the price down to zero. The site survived the attack and remains the leading Bitcoin exchange today. Hackers made off with another $228,000 in Bitcoins from online services earlier this year.

Bitcoin's peer-to-peer design means that tras*actions are irreversible. Once a tras*action appears in the blockchain, the global record of Bitcoin tras*actions, no one has the authority to reverse it. And the pseudonymous nature of Bitcoin makes it difficult to trace stolen Bitcoins to their new owners.

Some regard irreversible tras*actions as a key Bitcoin antiestéticature, since it means merchants never have to worry about "chargebacks." But this "antiestéticature" also dramatically raises the security stakes. Anyone who deals in Bitcoins, from complex exchanges to ordinary users have to worry about hackers making off with their cash. Indeed, malware that steals your Bitcoins automatically has been spotted in the wild.

In a June interview, Bitcoin developer Gavin Andresen told Ars that his team is working on a new antiestéticature called multi-signature tras*actions that could reduce the vulnerability of Bitcoin wallets to this kind of attack. Under this scheme, a user's signature is divided among multiple devices, all of which would need to approve a tras*action before it could be accepted by the Bitcoin network. For personal users, that might miccionan splitting the key up between a PC and a smartphone. For online Bitcoin services, it would miccionan splitting control of a Bitcoin wallet among multiple servers. Under that scheme, hackers could only steal Bitcoins if they succeeded in compromising all of the servers holding portions of the private key.

But at least until these new techniques mature, it's wise not to entrust large amounts of Bitcoins to third-party services, even those with excellent reputations. And always encrypt your Bitcoin wallet as soon as you're done using it.

Disclosure: The author owns some Bitcoins, and has so far avoided having them stolen by hackers.
:pienso: Yo sigo manteniéndome neutral al respecto - no estoy en contra, pero tampoco lo veo como solución a los problemas de las actuales monedas fiat...
 
Bitcoin es una moneda en su infancia y la gente que está empezando a adquirirla todavía no tiene claro que debe tratarla como dinero en efectivo.
Si le das tu dinero en efectivo al primero que pasa por la calle y te "garantiza" un 7% de interés semanal seguramente te estés metiendo en un esquema ponzi.
Si pasas al lado de un vagabundo y te dice que su bolsillo es muy seguro y que guardará tu dinero hasta que se lo vuelvas a pedir será muy probable que al día siguiente dejes de ver al vagabundo y, junto con él, a tu dinero.

Repito, cada bitcoin debe ser tratado como lo que es: dinero en efectivo.

¿Pero sabéis qué es lo mejor de todo? Que estos últimos fraudes y timos no están repercutiendo sobre los demás usuarios que hemos sido cautelosos. Aquí no hay asociaciones de damnificados de pirateat40 exigiendo con caceroladas que sean las arcas públicas las responsables civiles subsidiarias. Ni el resto de exchangers son obligados a incrementar las comisiones que cobran a sus clientes para aportar una cantidad a un fondo común que haga frente a los fraudes. Ni gobiernos que inflacionan la moneda para poder rescatar al exchanger que ha quebrado mientras alega que es "too big to fail".

Aquí cada cual es el único y último responsable del dinero que maneja. Y eso es lo que hace, grande no, MUY grande a bitcoin.
 
¿Alguien me explica cómo se crea una cuenta para namecoins?
Estoy minando en slush, acabo de crearme un bitcoin wallet local y dicen en la página de slush que si tienes cuenta de namecoins puedes ganar al mismo tiempo que bitcoins.

Gracias.
 
Las nVidia dan mucho peor rendimiento que las AMD/ATI para esta aplicación en concreto. No sale a cuenta.

No son gráficas. Nvidia empezó hará un par de años a desarrollar harware específico para superodenadores de cálculo, creo que algunas empresas de ingeniería y laboratorios los están usando. O al menos es lo que parece al leer acerca da la GPU usada. Aún así es muy posible que su funcionamiento no valga para las rotaciones esas de los hashes.
 
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¿Merece la pena comprar de segundamano un pc con una 5850 para ponerlo a minar por 350 euros o ya es tarde?
 
Nada, están al caer los jalapeños jajaja, he pillado uno por 150 e, vaya ruina, rinde igual que un rid de 25 gráficas... a ver en qué se me queda la inversión...
 
Lo que no he visto es como piensan evitar la acumulación de capital :pienso:

y me refiero a la "gran " acumulación de capital.

Ya sabéis, el defecto del capitalismo es que al final , por acumulación del capital, el 1% de la población controla el 90% del capital/moneda/recursos.
 
Pero como había quedado el tema de las bitcoin?, no era un timo que se desinfló hace poco porque encontraron la manera de hackearlo o algo así? no me hagáis mucho caso.
 
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