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Yo lo he usado varias veces sin mayor problema. Eso sí, yo siempre recomiendo no dejar mucha pasta en los exchanges demasiado tiempo.
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Deja la orden puesta y échate a dormir.
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Ese era su objetivo...y por culpa de ese par de petulantes mucha gente en el foro ha perdido pasta gansa.
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Cada quien con su dinero hace lo que le gusta.
Es más, me he cansado de aplaudir a los que ganan dinero.
Ahora... que el bitcoin ya esté instalado ?... para nada. Aún falta para eso.
Pero, el que quiera especular (que puede hacerlo con cebollas, nabos o bitcoins), que lo haga !!
Por otro lado, así como aún faltan unos cuantos obstáculos para que el bitcoin ingrese al mundo de los negocios DE VERDAD, también es cierto que, hasta el momento, se mantiene y eso es mucho decir.
De todos modos no sería tan animal de sugerirle a nadie que pague U$S 200 por un bitcoin -salvo que sea un especulador avezado- porque, lo más seguro es que salga trasquilado.
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Ah! y por las dudas no dejen de avisarle a la gente que el volumen ya es un tercio del que había días atrás.
El buen especulador SABE cuando ingresar, el que ingresa tarde es el pardillo.
No dejen de avisar eso.
:::Cada quien con su dinero hace lo que le gusta.
Es más, me he cansado de aplaudir a los que ganan dinero.
Ahora... que el bitcoin ya esté instalado ?... para nada. Aún falta para eso.
Pero, el que quiera especular (que puede hacerlo con cebollas, nabos o bitcoins), que lo haga !!
Por otro lado, así como aún faltan unos cuantos obstáculos para que el bitcoin ingrese al mundo de los negocios DE VERDAD, también es cierto que, hasta el momento, se mantiene y eso es mucho decir.
De todos modos no sería tan animal de sugerirle a nadie que pague U$S 200 por un bitcoin -salvo que sea un especulador avezado- porque, lo más seguro es que salga trasquilado.
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Ah! y por las dudas no dejen de avisarle a la gente que el volumen ya es un tercio del que había días atrás.
El buen especulador SABE cuando ingresar, el que ingresa tarde es el pardillo.
No dejen de avisar eso.
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Por cierto, la subida de Bitstamp en volumen es fulgurante estos últimos días.
Esta semana mtgox va por detrás de Bitstamp y BTCChina en volumen. Hay otro exchange chinorris con bastante volumen pero que no lo están incluyendo en bitcoinity ( 796.com ).
No ha habido antes un volumen sostenido a lo largo de una semana tan alto como el actual (en términos de FIAT).
Una cosa que puedes hacer si no has tenido BTC antes es probar a comprar 10 euros o algo así, trastear con wallets, sacarlo y meterlo en un exchange, etc. Al principio la minería era la forma estándar de probar estas cosas para los principiantes, pero ahora ya no tiene mucho sentido empezar así.
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No tienes ni fruta idea.
El buen especulador no es el que compra barato para vender caro. Es el que compra caro para vender más caro.
Lo patético es que te pongas a dar lecciones de muchas cosas que te superan. Por tus comentarios ha quedado ampliamente demostrado que la parte técnica del bitcoin te supera. No la entiendes, y por ello no entiendes el éxito del bitcoin. De trading y especulación tampoco tienes ni idea. Ya empezaste comparando los volúmenes en bitcoins cuando valía $13 y cuando valía $200. Tal vez sepas algo de legislación financiera (tampoco me ha quedado medio claro), pero ahora esto es irrelevante.
Lo sangrante es que ignorantes como tú se pongan a opinar de lo que no tienen ni fruta idea y provoquen que mucha gente deje de ganar pasta por tu culpa. El neófito que se asoma al hilo sólo entiende mucho más tarde quien da una opinión informada.
Tu contribución a este hilo es irresponsable y nefasta por tendenciosa y mal informada. Para ti no es posible ahora que el bitcoin se pague a $200 ni hace meses a $95. Sin embargo por privado si intentabas comprar bitcoins.
Vete a soltar, que ya has hecho bastante el ridículo.
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Why The Deep Web Has Washington Worried | TIME.com
Domestic Surveillance
Why The Deep Web Has Washington Worried
From online drug bazaars to virtual currency tax shelters, the growing anonymous web has many corners of Washington concerned
Washington has no idea what to make of the Dread Pirate Roberts.
As Lev Grossman and I write in this week’s cover story, the Dread Pirate Roberts allegedly ran the Silk Road, the world’s most successful online drug bazaar, until the feds caught him earlier this month. His real name, according to a 39-page federal complaint against him, is Ross Ulbricht, 29. He supposedly took the pseudonym from a character in the movie and book, The Princess Bride. In the Silk Road, DPR, as his ***owers called him, created a business model for anyone wanting to sell illicit items online using free encryption software called Tor and the virtually anonymous crypto-currency Bitcoin. Though the feds have taken Silk Road offline, there are plenty of folks lining up to be the next Dread Pirate Roberts.
Lev and I examine the greater implications of the Deep Web, the massive and growing anonymous area of the Internet. But from the perspective of lawmakers and law enforcement in Washington, Silk Road presents a double conundrum. It’s a blueprint for criminals the world over at a time when FBI resources are stretched thin and political will to empower government snooping has cratered. And it has created a regulatory headache in figuring how to deal with whole new currencies, tax havens and virtual online markets.
While Tor is used by everyone from law enforcement to Syrian dissidents to protect valuable information, it is a double-edged sword. Many experts warn that groups ranging from the Russian mafia to international drug cartels are looking closely at the lessons learned from the Silk Road. It took the FBI more than two years of investigative work to find Ulbricht. They don’t have the resources to compete with Silicon Valley in hiring, or the tools—a long-hoped for modernization of the law governing online wiretapping is on ice in Congress thanks to Edward Snowden.
Developing technology to fight the Deep Web, or the anonymous non-searchable web, “is not adequately funded—it’s nowhere near adequately funded,” says Marcus Thomas, former assistant director of the FBI’s technology division and now on the advisory board Subsentio, which helps companies comply with online warranted wiretaps. “Historically it was well funded, but recently especially with sequestration, it’s been hard hit. It’s always been a difficult thing to build cost benefit analysis for. How much money should you spend building a technology you may not use for a year, if ever?”
Chester Wisnieski, a senior information technology security adviser at Sophos, adds that the FBI doesn’t have enough trained staff. “If you look at the FBI—how many agents do they have in cyber? Less than 200,” he said. “There’s been a very fast shift of traditional crimes moving online and don’t have skilled agents to deal with it.”
The policy problem is compounded by Bitcoin, which represents another set of jurisdictional tangles for Washington. The Senate Homeland Security Committee, officials tell TIME, plans on holding hearings on Bitcoin within the month. The committee sent letters to nine federal agencies in July asking for their thoughts on Bitcoins and other virtual currencies in the hopes of developing a holistic approach to the so-called cryptocurrency that neither stifles the currency’s potential nor enables criminals to abuse it. “As with all emerging technologies, the federal government must make sure that potential threats and risks are dealt with swiftly,” Committee Chairman Tom Carper, a Delaware Democrat, and the committee’s top Republican, Tom Coburn, wrote in the letters. “However, we must also ensure that rash or uninformed actions don’t stifle a potentially valuable technology.”
Bitcoin can be a force for good. “We’ve grown used to the idea that virtual tras*actions should be tracked because they can be; whereas Bitcoin brings anonymity back into online commerce,” says Sasha Meinrath, director of the New America Foundation’s Open Technology Institute. “It’s amazing how scary this notion is to law enforcement. But I see it as akin to trade in gold, cash tras*actions, and barter: not something to be antiestéticared, but simply another useful tool for commerce.”
And yet, virtual currencies have a complex past. In recent years, Liberty Reserve and e-Gold both ran afoul of the law, mostly for money laundering. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement seized funds from the world’s largest Bitcoin exchange, Mt. Gox, in May charging that the company was operating an unlicensed money tras*mitting service. Mt. Gox has since moved to put names to Bitcoin tras*fers and register with federal and state governments. There is about $2 billion Bitcoin in existence today. Authorities say Silk Road tras*actions amounted to $1.2 billion in Bitcoin.
Indeed, regulators have already taken an active interest in Bitcoin. The Senate Finance Committee is looking at language to regulate virtual currencies its tax code overhaul. They’re also considering giving the IRS more money to track virtual tax havens, Senate sources tell TIME. A Government Accountability Office report in June warned that virtual currencies like Bitcoin could be abused as tax havens. New York Financial Services Superintendent Benjamin Lawsky sent subpoenas to 22 Bitcoin businesses this summer saying it was considering new regulatory guidance on virtual currencies. “If virtual currencies remain a virtual Wild west for narcotraffickers and other criminals,” he said announcing the subpoenas, “that would not only threaten our country’s national security, but also the very existence of the virtual currency industry as a legitimate business enterprise.” A Commodities Futures Trading Commissioner said his agency is looking into regulating Bitcoins as a commodity. And Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network put out guidance in March saying Bitcoin brokers would have to ***ow wire service regulations—a potentially onerous requirement as each wire service must register state by state.
(MORE: Report: Hillary on 2016, “I’m Minded To Do It”)
All of this means that no one is quite sure how to handle bitcoin: is it a currency? A bond? A commodity? Should dealers be regulated like wire services or brokers? Should profits be taxed as capital gains? Few in Washington have even begun to consider these questions, and yet given the rapid growth of Bitcoin, the Deep Web and websites like the Silk Road they will surely be forced to soon.
Internet users are increasingly looking for anonymity as their preferences and personal information are tracked and traded like pork belly futures. For many, the Deep Web represents a haven from those prying eyes. But, as in real life, when there’s anonymity, there are dark alleys where people will abuse it. In the physical world, should we choose it, we can live a cash-based anonymous existence. Should we be able to do so online, even if it means anyone can buy drugs, fake IDs or illicit weapons as well? These are the questions Washington must grapple with as it looks at how to regulate cyrpotcurrencies and police the Deep Web.
Domestic Surveillance
Why The Deep Web Has Washington Worried
From online drug bazaars to virtual currency tax shelters, the growing anonymous web has many corners of Washington concerned
Washington has no idea what to make of the Dread Pirate Roberts.
As Lev Grossman and I write in this week’s cover story, the Dread Pirate Roberts allegedly ran the Silk Road, the world’s most successful online drug bazaar, until the feds caught him earlier this month. His real name, according to a 39-page federal complaint against him, is Ross Ulbricht, 29. He supposedly took the pseudonym from a character in the movie and book, The Princess Bride. In the Silk Road, DPR, as his ***owers called him, created a business model for anyone wanting to sell illicit items online using free encryption software called Tor and the virtually anonymous crypto-currency Bitcoin. Though the feds have taken Silk Road offline, there are plenty of folks lining up to be the next Dread Pirate Roberts.
Lev and I examine the greater implications of the Deep Web, the massive and growing anonymous area of the Internet. But from the perspective of lawmakers and law enforcement in Washington, Silk Road presents a double conundrum. It’s a blueprint for criminals the world over at a time when FBI resources are stretched thin and political will to empower government snooping has cratered. And it has created a regulatory headache in figuring how to deal with whole new currencies, tax havens and virtual online markets.
While Tor is used by everyone from law enforcement to Syrian dissidents to protect valuable information, it is a double-edged sword. Many experts warn that groups ranging from the Russian mafia to international drug cartels are looking closely at the lessons learned from the Silk Road. It took the FBI more than two years of investigative work to find Ulbricht. They don’t have the resources to compete with Silicon Valley in hiring, or the tools—a long-hoped for modernization of the law governing online wiretapping is on ice in Congress thanks to Edward Snowden.
Developing technology to fight the Deep Web, or the anonymous non-searchable web, “is not adequately funded—it’s nowhere near adequately funded,” says Marcus Thomas, former assistant director of the FBI’s technology division and now on the advisory board Subsentio, which helps companies comply with online warranted wiretaps. “Historically it was well funded, but recently especially with sequestration, it’s been hard hit. It’s always been a difficult thing to build cost benefit analysis for. How much money should you spend building a technology you may not use for a year, if ever?”
Chester Wisnieski, a senior information technology security adviser at Sophos, adds that the FBI doesn’t have enough trained staff. “If you look at the FBI—how many agents do they have in cyber? Less than 200,” he said. “There’s been a very fast shift of traditional crimes moving online and don’t have skilled agents to deal with it.”
The policy problem is compounded by Bitcoin, which represents another set of jurisdictional tangles for Washington. The Senate Homeland Security Committee, officials tell TIME, plans on holding hearings on Bitcoin within the month. The committee sent letters to nine federal agencies in July asking for their thoughts on Bitcoins and other virtual currencies in the hopes of developing a holistic approach to the so-called cryptocurrency that neither stifles the currency’s potential nor enables criminals to abuse it. “As with all emerging technologies, the federal government must make sure that potential threats and risks are dealt with swiftly,” Committee Chairman Tom Carper, a Delaware Democrat, and the committee’s top Republican, Tom Coburn, wrote in the letters. “However, we must also ensure that rash or uninformed actions don’t stifle a potentially valuable technology.”
Bitcoin can be a force for good. “We’ve grown used to the idea that virtual tras*actions should be tracked because they can be; whereas Bitcoin brings anonymity back into online commerce,” says Sasha Meinrath, director of the New America Foundation’s Open Technology Institute. “It’s amazing how scary this notion is to law enforcement. But I see it as akin to trade in gold, cash tras*actions, and barter: not something to be antiestéticared, but simply another useful tool for commerce.”
And yet, virtual currencies have a complex past. In recent years, Liberty Reserve and e-Gold both ran afoul of the law, mostly for money laundering. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement seized funds from the world’s largest Bitcoin exchange, Mt. Gox, in May charging that the company was operating an unlicensed money tras*mitting service. Mt. Gox has since moved to put names to Bitcoin tras*fers and register with federal and state governments. There is about $2 billion Bitcoin in existence today. Authorities say Silk Road tras*actions amounted to $1.2 billion in Bitcoin.
Indeed, regulators have already taken an active interest in Bitcoin. The Senate Finance Committee is looking at language to regulate virtual currencies its tax code overhaul. They’re also considering giving the IRS more money to track virtual tax havens, Senate sources tell TIME. A Government Accountability Office report in June warned that virtual currencies like Bitcoin could be abused as tax havens. New York Financial Services Superintendent Benjamin Lawsky sent subpoenas to 22 Bitcoin businesses this summer saying it was considering new regulatory guidance on virtual currencies. “If virtual currencies remain a virtual Wild west for narcotraffickers and other criminals,” he said announcing the subpoenas, “that would not only threaten our country’s national security, but also the very existence of the virtual currency industry as a legitimate business enterprise.” A Commodities Futures Trading Commissioner said his agency is looking into regulating Bitcoins as a commodity. And Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network put out guidance in March saying Bitcoin brokers would have to ***ow wire service regulations—a potentially onerous requirement as each wire service must register state by state.
(MORE: Report: Hillary on 2016, “I’m Minded To Do It”)
All of this means that no one is quite sure how to handle bitcoin: is it a currency? A bond? A commodity? Should dealers be regulated like wire services or brokers? Should profits be taxed as capital gains? Few in Washington have even begun to consider these questions, and yet given the rapid growth of Bitcoin, the Deep Web and websites like the Silk Road they will surely be forced to soon.
Internet users are increasingly looking for anonymity as their preferences and personal information are tracked and traded like pork belly futures. For many, the Deep Web represents a haven from those prying eyes. But, as in real life, when there’s anonymity, there are dark alleys where people will abuse it. In the physical world, should we choose it, we can live a cash-based anonymous existence. Should we be able to do so online, even if it means anyone can buy drugs, fake IDs or illicit weapons as well? These are the questions Washington must grapple with as it looks at how to regulate cyrpotcurrencies and police the Deep Web.
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Lo subo ahora que la oferta está activa.
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Muy buena lírica, independientemente de la persona a quien va dirigida. En el fondo, si eres crítico, todo aporta. No siempre que haya muchos optimistas ayuda.
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Muy buena lírica, independientemente de la persona a quien va dirigida. En el fondo, si eres crítico, todo aporta. No siempre que haya muchos optimistas ayuda.
Una cosa es ser exceptico a lo Juan Ramon Rallo, con una opinion formada y realmente"mas o menos" imparcial y otra inventar datos, hacer supuestas valoraciones objetivas basadas en suposiciones y encima creer que tienes todo el derecho del mundo a ir de aleccionador de nada...
Yo si no tengo ni idea de fisica nuclear no me meto a discutir con cientificos... no se si me explico, otra cosa es callarse, asumir tu ignorancia y sentarte a aprender con humildad... (y con aprender no me refiero siquiera a aprender de nosotros)
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Pero tambien hay demasiado optimistas en esto, entre ellos el que más, yo. Y va bien que alguien que lleva tiempo en esto, aun siendo un Troll, de calma a la euforia, y todo esto. A mi me parece positivo porque a veces estas tan agusto ganando, que no te das cuenta lo que vas a perder y aquí, por lo menos a mi, los trolls me ayudan.
Si todos fueseis pro bitcoins, esto estaría muerto.
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Pero tambien hay demasiado optimistas en esto, entre ellos el que más, yo. Y va bien que alguien que lleva tiempo en esto, aun siendo un Troll, de calma a la euforia, y todo esto. A mi me parece positivo porque a veces estas tan agusto ganando, que no te das cuenta lo que vas a perder y aquí, por lo menos a mi, los trolls me ayudan.
Si todos fueseis pro bitcoins, esto estaría muerto.
Para analizar objetivamente tu presente, escalicha, no necesitas de un troll, necesitas un par de ojos y medio dedito de frente, y yo se perfectamente que tu tienes de ambas cosas.
Yo de verdad, el dia que piense que esto no tenga futuro, sere tan exceptico como probitcoin soy ahora... Esto es un negocio, y como tal yo no me caso con nadie ni dire "de este agua no bebere"
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