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¿Y qué fue de la célebre prohibición de la prespitación :bla: en Suecia? (1999) ¡Qué son ya 19 añazos de prohibición! ¿Qué tal les ha ido el experimento?
Años y años de persecución policial y de espionaje estatal de la vida sensual de los ciudadanos:
Estos son los resultados:
Según el Gobierno:
Fantástico: Dicen que han disminuido a la mitad la prespitación callejera y MANTENIDO ESTABLE el número de cortesanas en pisos y casas. ¡Menudo éxitazo!
Citas sobre un informe OFICIAL DEL GOBIERNO sueco sobre la "exitosísima" ley de 1999:
Ah, magnífica y exitosísima ley: Menos cortesanas en la calle y...más en pisos e Internet...exactamente igual que en otros países nórdicos SIN PROHIBICIÓN.
¡Y todo esto en el informe oficial del gobierno sueco defendiendo lo estupenda y exitosa que es la ley!
Otro exitazo de la ley de 1999:
Según los críticos:
Resumen:
Ridículamente bajas cifras de imputados en Suecia:
Todas estas cifras son RIDÍCULAS si las comparamos con las 140.000 detenciones anuales del Gulag Lila eXpañol.
Barrunto que la Policía Sueca simplemente no tiene recursos ni gran voluntad (pensarán que tienen asuntos más graves que atender) de aplicar esta ley, y que hace el paripé de detener a 1500 infelices/año para salir del paso.
No se preocupen que la experiencia Sueca no servirá de nada.
En eXpaña seguirán adelante con la idea de "prohibir la prespitación", como si tal cosa fuese posible y como si no se hubiese intentado ya antes, fracasando:
Crítica en español al "Modelo Sueco":
Da lo mismo.
Me temo que en expaña "experimentaremos" el "modelo sueco".
¿Por què?
Nuestra clase política es fanática seguidora del lema:
Repetiremos el error sueco, me temo.
Quédense con los datos de este hilo para rebatir a los Abolicionistas expañoles...pero me temo que no servirá de nada
https://www.amazon.com/Criminalising-Purchase-Sex-Lessons-Sweden/dp/1138659800
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/co...y-to-swedens-success-in-reducing-prostitution
https://web.archive.org/web/2010070...-of-sensual-services-the-anna-skarhed-report/
https://www.laprogressive.com/swedish-prostitution/
Tiene perfecta lógica.
La Policía trabaja ya a timpo completo, no le "sobran" recursos...y de repente se le dice "Ah, tienes un nuevo trabajo: Tienes que perseguir la prespitación".
Lógicamente la Policía prefiere concentrarse en delitos de verdad antes que dedicarse a perseguir actos consensuales.
Por cierto, todo trabajo policial de persecución de la prespitación se hace a costa de DEJAR DE PERSEGUIR OTROS DELITOS. Los recursos policiales son limitados: Si los usas para una cosa los dejas de usar para otra.
http://cybersolidaires.typepad.com/...-of-swedish-criminalisation-on-sexworkers.pdf
Porque tengo la curiosidad intelectual de ver cómo funcionan las "soluciones" progres.
Si no existiese el foro lo hubiese mirado igual.
El hilo es un afterthought...ya que tengo las fuentes hago un hilo, que también me sirve de referencia a mí.
Años y años de persecución policial y de espionaje estatal de la vida sensual de los ciudadanos:
Estos son los resultados:
Según el Gobierno:
Swedish officials say they have halved the number of streetwalkers, kept the number of prostitution cases level
Sweden prostitution reduction model's success a myth, skeptics warn - Washington Times
Sweden prostitution reduction model's success a myth, skeptics warn - Washington Times
Fantástico: Dicen que han disminuido a la mitad la prespitación callejera y MANTENIDO ESTABLE el número de cortesanas en pisos y casas. ¡Menudo éxitazo!
Citas sobre un informe OFICIAL DEL GOBIERNO sueco sobre la "exitosísima" ley de 1999:
400 Bad Request
Report
The final report of the commission was submitted to Justice Minister Beatrice Ask in July 2010.[129] The report stated that the law worked, and had achieved its objectivesinocho:, but suggested that the sentence for purchasing sex be doubled. It stated that since the introduction of the ban on buying sex, street prostitution had been halved, and that: "This reduction may be considered to be a direct result of the criminalization of sex purchases."[130]
It was also found that there had been no overall increase in prostitution in Sweden. "People working in the field do not consider that there has been an increase in prostitution since the ban was introduced."
The report also acknowledged Internet (indoor) prostitution as an expanding:
: market, which is more difficult to study and verify than street prostitution, and which, in the last five years, has increased :: in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark; however, it stated, concurring with the NIKK report (above), that "the scale of this form of prostitution is more extensive in our neighbouring countries, and there is nothing to indicate that a greater increase in prostitution over the Internet has occurred in Sweden than in these comparable countries.
Report
The final report of the commission was submitted to Justice Minister Beatrice Ask in July 2010.[129] The report stated that the law worked, and had achieved its objectives
inocho:, but suggested that the sentence for purchasing sex be doubled. It stated that since the introduction of the ban on buying sex, street prostitution had been halved, and that: "This reduction may be considered to be a direct result of the criminalization of sex purchases."[130]It was also found that there had been no overall increase in prostitution in Sweden. "People working in the field do not consider that there has been an increase in prostitution since the ban was introduced."
The report also acknowledged Internet (indoor) prostitution as an expanding:
: market, which is more difficult to study and verify than street prostitution, and which, in the last five years, has increased :: in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark; however, it stated, concurring with the NIKK report (above), that "the scale of this form of prostitution is more extensive in our neighbouring countries, and there is nothing to indicate that a greater increase in prostitution over the Internet has occurred in Sweden than in these comparable countries. Ah, magnífica y exitosísima ley: Menos cortesanas en la calle y...más en pisos e Internet...exactamente igual que en otros países nórdicos SIN PROHIBICIÓN.
¡Y todo esto en el informe oficial del gobierno sueco defendiendo lo estupenda y exitosa que es la ley!
Otro exitazo de la ley de 1999:
Prostitution hasn’t been eliminated, but surveys indicate that the percentage of Swedish men who buy sex dropped to 7.4 per cent in 2014 from 13.6 per cent in 1996
Sweden prostitution: How making it illegal to buy sex has helped | Vancouver Sun
¡Vaya éxito!
Ilegalizas algo y la gente deja de confesar en encuestas que compra ese algo. ¡Quién podría suponer que mienten!
Sweden prostitution: How making it illegal to buy sex has helped | Vancouver Sun
¡Vaya éxito!
Ilegalizas algo y la gente deja de confesar en encuestas que compra ese algo
. ¡Quién podría suponer que mienten! Según los críticos:
In 2014, a Swedish government study found that on-street prostitution had decreased by half compared to nine years earlier. But its methodology has been questioned, and other in-depth studies have found that the law has failed to reduce levels of prostitution overall and has significantly increased the harms and social exclusions associated with the work.
Swedish Sex Workers Are Using Airbnb to Get Around the Law | VICE News
Swedish Sex Workers Are Using Airbnb to Get Around the Law | VICE News
Sex Purchase Act has altered Swedes
In the article «The Swedish Sex Purchase Act: Where Does it Stand?», Skilbrei and Charlotta Holmström, senior lecturer at Malmø University, present an overview of the research carried out on the effects of the Sex Purchase Act since it was introduced in Sweden in 1999. They have looked at both desired and unintended effects.
“We have worked with prostitution and human trafficking for many years, and we have seen numerous claims stating that research demonstrates both this and that,” says Skilbrei.
According to Skilbrei, the research field is so politicised that one needs to be extra critical to the research. She and Holmström have thoroughly gone through research and reports from authorities and civil society in order to find an answer to whether there have been changes in the Swedish sex market since the act was introduced and whether these changes are actually results of the ban.
Difficult to determine how many buys sex
Even the number of prostitutes in Sweden before and after the introduction of the ban is difficult to determine, according to Skilbrei.
“Knowledge concerning the size of the prostitution market before the ban was primarily based on whom the social workers came into contact with. There’s no reason to assume that these represent the market in its entirety,” she says.
“Is there any reason to believe that the prostitution market in Sweden is smaller now than it was before the Sex Purchase Act was introduced?”
“Street prostitution has decreased. But this is the case in many European countries, and is just as much a result of other factors such as the internet and the Immigration Act. The police also work much more actively now in order to clean up the public space than they used to.”
Although street prostitution has decreased in Sweden, Swedish authorities have, on the other hand, reported an increase in announcements for the indoor prostitution market in Sweden. According to Skilbrei, this may indicate that the so-called indoor market has grown.
“We can’t presume that the number of announcements equals the number of people, but they may be used as an indicator. Nevertheless, the conclusion is that we don’t know whether the total scale of the prostitution market in Sweden has increased or decreased,” says Skilbrei.
Another question that the researchers address in their article is whether the ban has restricted the scope of human trafficking in Sweden.
“We still know very little about this,” says Skilbrei.
Several researchers have concluded that there is less human trafficking in countries where prostitution is criminalised and more in countries where prostitution is legalised. The same researchers warn that the figures should be analysed with care. Skilbrei emphasises that it is difficult to compare the scope of human trafficking over time and in different countries, among other things because the number of victims of human trafficking is counted very differently.
“In Sweden, they only count victims of human trafficking that may be useful in a criminal case. However, they hardly represent the actual figures. In Norway, we also identify victims that will never appear in court. Thus, the scope is difficult to compare even with neighbouring countries.”
In the article «The Swedish Sex Purchase Act: Where Does it Stand?», Skilbrei and Charlotta Holmström, senior lecturer at Malmø University, present an overview of the research carried out on the effects of the Sex Purchase Act since it was introduced in Sweden in 1999. They have looked at both desired and unintended effects.
“We have worked with prostitution and human trafficking for many years, and we have seen numerous claims stating that research demonstrates both this and that,” says Skilbrei.
According to Skilbrei, the research field is so politicised that one needs to be extra critical to the research. She and Holmström have thoroughly gone through research and reports from authorities and civil society in order to find an answer to whether there have been changes in the Swedish sex market since the act was introduced and whether these changes are actually results of the ban.
Difficult to determine how many buys sex
Even the number of prostitutes in Sweden before and after the introduction of the ban is difficult to determine, according to Skilbrei.
“Knowledge concerning the size of the prostitution market before the ban was primarily based on whom the social workers came into contact with. There’s no reason to assume that these represent the market in its entirety,” she says.
“Is there any reason to believe that the prostitution market in Sweden is smaller now than it was before the Sex Purchase Act was introduced?”
“Street prostitution has decreased. But this is the case in many European countries, and is just as much a result of other factors such as the internet and the Immigration Act. The police also work much more actively now in order to clean up the public space than they used to.”
Although street prostitution has decreased in Sweden, Swedish authorities have, on the other hand, reported an increase in announcements for the indoor prostitution market in Sweden. According to Skilbrei, this may indicate that the so-called indoor market has grown.
“We can’t presume that the number of announcements equals the number of people, but they may be used as an indicator. Nevertheless, the conclusion is that we don’t know whether the total scale of the prostitution market in Sweden has increased or decreased,” says Skilbrei.
Another question that the researchers address in their article is whether the ban has restricted the scope of human trafficking in Sweden.
“We still know very little about this,” says Skilbrei.
Several researchers have concluded that there is less human trafficking in countries where prostitution is criminalised and more in countries where prostitution is legalised. The same researchers warn that the figures should be analysed with care. Skilbrei emphasises that it is difficult to compare the scope of human trafficking over time and in different countries, among other things because the number of victims of human trafficking is counted very differently.
“In Sweden, they only count victims of human trafficking that may be useful in a criminal case. However, they hardly represent the actual figures. In Norway, we also identify victims that will never appear in court. Thus, the scope is difficult to compare even with neighbouring countries.”
Resumen:
* Es muy difícil saber si hay más, menos o igual prespitación en Suecia que antes de la prohibición. Normal en una actividad estigmatizada, alegal antes de 1999 e ilegal después de 1999.
* La prespitación callejera ha caído en Suecia desde 1999, pero es que también ha caído en todos los países nórdicos (sin prohibición), debido a que desde los años 90 se ha masificado Internet (es absurdo "hacer la calle" en zonas subárticas cuando puedes anunciarte en Internet).
* La prespitación callejera ha caído en Suecia desde 1999, pero es que también ha caído en todos los países nórdicos (sin prohibición), debido a que desde los años 90 se ha masificado Internet (es absurdo "hacer la calle" en zonas subárticas cuando puedes anunciarte en Internet).
Ridículamente bajas cifras de imputados en Suecia:
Enforcement of law
In 2008, the number of police reports was 1,500, with 86 convictions in 2006. A Supreme court ruling has prevented the optional jail term being applied, and some parliamentarians have called for a minimum one-year jail term.[187][188] To date, nobody has been imprisoned, according to Swedish Public Radio. [189] A number of sources suggest that the law is not being enforced very strictly.[190] Figures released in July 2010, suggest a large increase in the number of men reported for paying sex, which was attributed to increased police activity. The number of convictions was not reported.[191][192]
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In 2008, the number of police reports was 1,500, with 86 convictions in 2006. A Supreme court ruling has prevented the optional jail term being applied, and some parliamentarians have called for a minimum one-year jail term.[187][188] To date, nobody has been imprisoned, according to Swedish Public Radio. [189] A number of sources suggest that the law is not being enforced very strictly.[190] Figures released in July 2010, suggest a large increase in the number of men reported for paying sex, which was attributed to increased police activity. The number of convictions was not reported.[191][192]
400 Bad Request
Todas estas cifras son RIDÍCULAS si las comparamos con las 140.000 detenciones anuales del Gulag Lila eXpañol.
Barrunto que la Policía Sueca simplemente no tiene recursos ni gran voluntad (pensarán que tienen asuntos más graves que atender) de aplicar esta ley, y que hace el paripé de detener a 1500 infelices/año para salir del paso.
No se preocupen que la experiencia Sueca no servirá de nada.
En eXpaña seguirán adelante con la idea de "prohibir la prespitación", como si tal cosa fuese posible y como si no se hubiese intentado ya antes, fracasando:
https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/...ostitucion-en-espana-en-cualquier-ambito.html
https://www.losreplicantes.com/articulos/psoe-prohibir-prostitucion-multas-clientes/
http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2018/05/09/5af2ea34e2704eb3158b4663.html
http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/es...cion-a-traves-de-una-ordenanza-municipal.html
http://www.publico.es/politica/prop...iente-control-publicitario-apoyo-mujeres.html
http://blogs.publico.es/lidia-falco...ing_wp_cron=1531526419.9203429222106933593750
https://www.lamarea.com/2016/11/24/razones-abolir-la-prostitucion/
http://cadenaser.com/ser/2018/06/22/politica/1529666085_497510.html
http://www.europapress.es/epsocial/...xenetas-multando-clientes-20180622133029.html
https://www.losreplicantes.com/articulos/psoe-prohibir-prostitucion-multas-clientes/
http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2018/05/09/5af2ea34e2704eb3158b4663.html
http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/es...cion-a-traves-de-una-ordenanza-municipal.html
http://www.publico.es/politica/prop...iente-control-publicitario-apoyo-mujeres.html
http://blogs.publico.es/lidia-falco...ing_wp_cron=1531526419.9203429222106933593750
https://www.lamarea.com/2016/11/24/razones-abolir-la-prostitucion/
http://cadenaser.com/ser/2018/06/22/politica/1529666085_497510.html
http://www.europapress.es/epsocial/...xenetas-multando-clientes-20180622133029.html
Crítica en español al "Modelo Sueco":
La gran mentira sueca ha dado paso al falaz argumentario de los defensores del abolicionismo. Sin embargo, hay una serie de datos que evidencian la perversion del modelo Sueco. En 2010 se elevó la condena de seis meses de guandoca a un año para los hombres que usan servicios de prespitación con mujeres. Por su parte, la forma de medir el éxito se basa, exclusivamente, en afirmaciones policiales y de trabajadores sociales, principales beneficiarios del dinero publico invertido, que no se sustentan en datos concretos ni en evidencias evaluables, sino en pura propaganda política.
Por su parte, para la Asociación de Prevención, Reinserción y Atención a la Mujer Prostituída (APRAMP), Suecia es el quinto país de la Unión Europea donde más prespitación se consume, con un 13 % de hombres que pagan por tener sesso con mujeres.
https://www.estrelladigital.es/opin...fraude-modelo-sueco/20160210210804271768.html
Por su parte, para la Asociación de Prevención, Reinserción y Atención a la Mujer Prostituída (APRAMP), Suecia es el quinto país de la Unión Europea donde más prespitación se consume, con un 13 % de hombres que pagan por tener sesso con mujeres.
https://www.estrelladigital.es/opin...fraude-modelo-sueco/20160210210804271768.html
Da lo mismo.
Me temo que en expaña "experimentaremos" el "modelo sueco".
¿Por què?
* Porque permite abrir un nuevo frente anti hombres heterosexuales, puestos todos bajo la sospecha de ser clientes, con detenciones, jugosas multas y una nueva "estadística" a citar todos los meses (este mes han sido detenidos X clientes).
* Porque permite al estado crear un aparato de vigilancia y espionaje de la vida privada de los súbditos, bajo la justificación de "combatir la prespitación".
* Porque toda esta Industria de la Anti-prespitación será como la Industria del Maltrato, o sea, una estupenda Agencia de Colocación para todos tipo de "activistas", "ONGs" y licenciad*s de carreras de pinta y colorea.
* Porque permite al estado crear un aparato de vigilancia y espionaje de la vida privada de los súbditos, bajo la justificación de "combatir la prespitación".
* Porque toda esta Industria de la Anti-prespitación será como la Industria del Maltrato, o sea, una estupenda Agencia de Colocación para todos tipo de "activistas", "ONGs" y licenciad*s de carreras de pinta y colorea.
Nuestra clase política es fanática seguidora del lema:
¿Para qué aprender de los errores ajenos si puedes cometerlos personalmente?
Repetiremos el error sueco, me temo.
Quédense con los datos de este hilo para rebatir a los Abolicionistas expañoles...pero me temo que no servirá de nada
https://www.amazon.com/Criminalising-Purchase-Sex-Lessons-Sweden/dp/1138659800
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/co...y-to-swedens-success-in-reducing-prostitution
https://web.archive.org/web/2010070...-of-sensual-services-the-anna-skarhed-report/
https://www.laprogressive.com/swedish-prostitution/
Tiene perfecta lógica.
La Policía trabaja ya a timpo completo, no le "sobran" recursos...y de repente se le dice "Ah, tienes un nuevo trabajo: Tienes que perseguir la prespitación".
Lógicamente la Policía prefiere concentrarse en delitos de verdad antes que dedicarse a perseguir actos consensuales.
Por cierto, todo trabajo policial de persecución de la prespitación se hace a costa de DEJAR DE PERSEGUIR OTROS DELITOS. Los recursos policiales son limitados: Si los usas para una cosa los dejas de usar para otra.
http://cybersolidaires.typepad.com/...-of-swedish-criminalisation-on-sexworkers.pdf
Porque tengo la curiosidad intelectual de ver cómo funcionan las "soluciones" progres.
Si no existiese el foro lo hubiese mirado igual.
El hilo es un afterthought...ya que tengo las fuentes hago un hilo, que también me sirve de referencia a mí.
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