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8 dolares la acción ... ahora a 6.76 parece que tienen una resistencia en 7 dolares.
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Muchas gracias hamijo Divad, solo intento aportar un granito de arena que pueda ser utiles a muchos burbujistas.
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Veo mucho humo en su procesador ZEN. Como entusiasta de los PCs y servidores, me gustaria que fuese real, pero creo que no caerá esa breva.
Se está especulando de 16 - 32 núcleos FÍSICOS, por lo que serían 32-64 threads. Y eso por 300-400$ ??? Ni de coña, CPUs con 10 cores y 20 threads se estan vendiendo por 1500$ ahora mismo.
Cuando mis ojos lo vean , me lo creeré. Con que saquen un octacore mejor que el 8350 me conformo, pero de momento, en cuanto a componentes que se pueden comprar en el mercado AHORA MISMO, Nvidia-Intel se comen a AMD.
Y qué es si no la bolsa hamijo masónico?
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Lástima no haber visto esto antes:Aplauso:
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Parece que se ha filtrado el rendimiento del primer prototipo de ingenieria del AMD ZEN funcionando a 3.2 GHz y no parece nada del otro mundo, mas bien un tanto decepcionante ... puede ser que no alcance los 8 dolares y se derrumbe desde el precio actual hasta 5 dolares estables.
AMD ZEN Engineering Sample AOS - Further Performance Analysis
AMD ZEN Engineering Sample AOS - Further Performance Analysis
In this news-item we'll look a little deeper into the benchmark performance of AMD Zen and Ashes of Singularity. After the some results leaked yesterday a lot of questions have been raised.
So, first things first. Yesterday results of AMD Zen processors (engineering samples) leaked onto the web. The colleagues from wccftech who discovered this find, posted a couple of benchmarks that have been publicly accessible on the Ashes of the Singularity-benchmark database. Shortly after Wccftech posted them, the results have been removed, however the guys made screen-shots indicating the results from two different SKUs, e.g. 1D2801A2M88E4_32/28_N. The last parts (in bold) represent the clock and turbo frequency. Engineering samples always run at much lower clocks for preliminary testing purposes, though difficult to judge that does make the results quite interesting. In our forums (and throughout the web) a discussion started about the possible performance of the Zen generation. Fact remains, slow clocked ES CPU's are just that, engineering samples. A test done with a test run on one benchmark on likely an un-optimized platform with word that even in DX12 mode this benchmark only properly utilizes four threads? 3200/2800 MHz - now it could very well be that the final flagship SKUs will clock 4.0~4.4 GHz (I honestly do not know), until actually released and tested you guys should take this news as the title states, promising. Other then that you hardly can draw any conclusions at this time. Last night, a valid question posted in our forums got stuck in my mind, downclock an 8-core Core i7 5960X towards 3200 MHz (matching the maximum Boost frequency of that Zen processor), and you could/would/maybe see the a performance differential that matches up more closely with Zen that also has 8 cores / 16 threads. So that was a very valid suggestion/question.
So this morning I decided to do pursue that remark, I used the benchmark results from the colleagues at wccftech and then setup two test systems. The first is the Core i7 5960X. This processor has 8 cores and sixteen threads, this matches the Zen "Summit Ridge" processor in cores and threads. You could argue that you cannot a 1000 USD processor towards an AMD Zen product, but again it matches the cores and threads. Also per core an Intel processor in the high end range is roughly equally fast aside from the effect of its clock frequency. E.g. a Core i7 4790K core is roughly as fast as a Core i7 5960X core if you clock them at the same frequency. So when you downclock processors, the becore very similar in per core performance (Intel CPU wise). Next to that I grabbed an AMD setup and inserted an AMD FX 8370 which has 8 cores.
We then down-clocked the AMD and Intel processors towards 3200 MHz. So now we have three processors pretty much in equilibrium frequency range running at (give or take) that 3200 MHz. We now need to match up other stuff:
We gave both systems 16 GB of memory (Core i7 runs in quad-channel though).
We installed a Radeon RX 480 with the latest driver (16.8.1) to match up the leaked setup.
We updated Ashes of Singularity (1.30.21168.0) towards precisely the same build as the leak.
We mimicked the quality modes in DirectX 12, the Zen results leaker merely used the Low, standard, High and Extreme switches.
After each quality settings change we restarted the game.
And all that gives us a result set of the current state of the engineering sample versus the Core i7 5960X and AMD FX 8370. Now before we dive into the results, I do want to mention that these benchmarks should be considered as subjective, maybe even a little shoddy. The AMD Zen results are based on a leak, used in likely a highly un-optimized platform and as such I do expect the final retail SKUs to be much much faster.
So take the results with a grain of salt as there is little actual final with engineering sample processors, and just wait until the processors reach the market later this year with proper benchmarks and testing, and not just one AOS results set. Also we need to place at least a bit of suspicion to the actual source (not wccftech) but the actual person that injected the results into the AOS database. They could even be faked, albeit the likely-hood of that, we feel, is slim. Still we cannot rule it out of course. Okay, I think I shared enough disclaimers and concerns right ? We ran the Ashes of Singularity benchmark in four stress test modes at 1080P, similar towards the leaked results. There are some oddities in there alright, but have a peek. CPU results first, ***owed by rendered frames per second:
Visto los test ... ¿sera Zen un truño como el 7850K Kaveri que levantó mucho humo con los steamroller etc y luego quedo en una miércoles en rendimiento inferior a los FX 2 años mas antiguos?
O por el contrario y tal como advierten en el articulo, ¿ son pruebas no definitivas para sacar conclusión alguna?
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In leaked benchmarks, AMD Zen falls short of Intel Haswell, but shows promise nonetheless
AMD’s next major microarchitecture, codenamed Zen, will likely be the company’s most important to date. While it’s not expected to match the power of Intel’s latest Core family, most believe it’ll be a much better showing compared to the company’s recent efforts.
To that end, WCCFTech has come across what it claims are the first verified benchmarks of the Zen platform courtesy of the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark database. It is worth noting, however, that these results are from an engineering sample of the chip and may not accurately represent the performance of the final product brought to market.
The tests, which were conducted on August 6 and August 9 (two versions were tested, it seems), were run in conjunction with a Radeon RX 480. Using comparable hardware runs from the database, the publication found the Zen ES sample to be 38 percent faster than the AMD FX-8350, about 10 percent faster than Intel’s Core i5-4670K and around 11 percent slower than a Core i7-4790.
So, what’s the verdict? It’s hard to say for sure. Keep in mind that the Zen ES samples tested had a low base clock of 2.8GHz (boost to 3.2GHz). If the retail product is pushing speeds closer to 4GHz, performance will no doubt improve significantly.
It’s also worth pointing out that the Zen ES is being compared to Intel’s three-year-old Haswell processors. The Core i5-4670K has just four cores and four threads while the Core i7-4790 antiestéticatures four cores and eight threads and both are built on a 22nm process. The Zen ES reports eight cores, 16 threads and is a 14nm part yet it can’t keep pace with Intel’s old chips?
Making matters even worse for AMD is the fact that Intel is planning to release Cannonlake, its 10nm die shrink of Kaby Lake, next year. AMD has said it doesn’t expect to ship Zen with full market availability until sometime in 2017.
Nothing is official at this hour but if the benchmarks are indeed legitimate, it's not a great start for Zen. Then again, it's just a single set of benchmarks we have so even if they are legit, it's tough to draw full conclusions based on them alone.
Como postee hace unos meses, todo dependería de las expectativas y de las filtraciones de benchmark que estaban deseando salir ¿ Vosotros que hariais visto estas filtraciones? ¿Vender? o ¿aguantar y esperar hasta que toque los 8 dolares como objetivo?.
Visto lo visto y para ser fiel a mi idea principal (se hablaba de un rendimiento superior a un intel I7 5960X y resulta que queda muy atras) creo que venderé.
AMD ZEN Engineering Sample AOS - Further Performance Analysis
AMD ZEN Engineering Sample AOS - Further Performance Analysis
In this news-item we'll look a little deeper into the benchmark performance of AMD Zen and Ashes of Singularity. After the some results leaked yesterday a lot of questions have been raised.
So, first things first. Yesterday results of AMD Zen processors (engineering samples) leaked onto the web. The colleagues from wccftech who discovered this find, posted a couple of benchmarks that have been publicly accessible on the Ashes of the Singularity-benchmark database. Shortly after Wccftech posted them, the results have been removed, however the guys made screen-shots indicating the results from two different SKUs, e.g. 1D2801A2M88E4_32/28_N. The last parts (in bold) represent the clock and turbo frequency. Engineering samples always run at much lower clocks for preliminary testing purposes, though difficult to judge that does make the results quite interesting. In our forums (and throughout the web) a discussion started about the possible performance of the Zen generation. Fact remains, slow clocked ES CPU's are just that, engineering samples. A test done with a test run on one benchmark on likely an un-optimized platform with word that even in DX12 mode this benchmark only properly utilizes four threads? 3200/2800 MHz - now it could very well be that the final flagship SKUs will clock 4.0~4.4 GHz (I honestly do not know), until actually released and tested you guys should take this news as the title states, promising. Other then that you hardly can draw any conclusions at this time. Last night, a valid question posted in our forums got stuck in my mind, downclock an 8-core Core i7 5960X towards 3200 MHz (matching the maximum Boost frequency of that Zen processor), and you could/would/maybe see the a performance differential that matches up more closely with Zen that also has 8 cores / 16 threads. So that was a very valid suggestion/question.
So this morning I decided to do pursue that remark, I used the benchmark results from the colleagues at wccftech and then setup two test systems. The first is the Core i7 5960X. This processor has 8 cores and sixteen threads, this matches the Zen "Summit Ridge" processor in cores and threads. You could argue that you cannot a 1000 USD processor towards an AMD Zen product, but again it matches the cores and threads. Also per core an Intel processor in the high end range is roughly equally fast aside from the effect of its clock frequency. E.g. a Core i7 4790K core is roughly as fast as a Core i7 5960X core if you clock them at the same frequency. So when you downclock processors, the becore very similar in per core performance (Intel CPU wise). Next to that I grabbed an AMD setup and inserted an AMD FX 8370 which has 8 cores.
We then down-clocked the AMD and Intel processors towards 3200 MHz. So now we have three processors pretty much in equilibrium frequency range running at (give or take) that 3200 MHz. We now need to match up other stuff:
We gave both systems 16 GB of memory (Core i7 runs in quad-channel though).
We installed a Radeon RX 480 with the latest driver (16.8.1) to match up the leaked setup.
We updated Ashes of Singularity (1.30.21168.0) towards precisely the same build as the leak.
We mimicked the quality modes in DirectX 12, the Zen results leaker merely used the Low, standard, High and Extreme switches.
After each quality settings change we restarted the game.
And all that gives us a result set of the current state of the engineering sample versus the Core i7 5960X and AMD FX 8370. Now before we dive into the results, I do want to mention that these benchmarks should be considered as subjective, maybe even a little shoddy. The AMD Zen results are based on a leak, used in likely a highly un-optimized platform and as such I do expect the final retail SKUs to be much much faster.
So take the results with a grain of salt as there is little actual final with engineering sample processors, and just wait until the processors reach the market later this year with proper benchmarks and testing, and not just one AOS results set. Also we need to place at least a bit of suspicion to the actual source (not wccftech) but the actual person that injected the results into the AOS database. They could even be faked, albeit the likely-hood of that, we feel, is slim. Still we cannot rule it out of course. Okay, I think I shared enough disclaimers and concerns right ? We ran the Ashes of Singularity benchmark in four stress test modes at 1080P, similar towards the leaked results. There are some oddities in there alright, but have a peek. CPU results first, ***owed by rendered frames per second:
Visto los test ... ¿sera Zen un truño como el 7850K Kaveri que levantó mucho humo con los steamroller etc y luego quedo en una miércoles en rendimiento inferior a los FX 2 años mas antiguos?
O por el contrario y tal como advierten en el articulo, ¿ son pruebas no definitivas para sacar conclusión alguna?
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http://www.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2016/08/2016-08-11-image-14.jpg
In leaked benchmarks, AMD Zen falls short of Intel Haswell, but shows promise nonetheless
AMD’s next major microarchitecture, codenamed Zen, will likely be the company’s most important to date. While it’s not expected to match the power of Intel’s latest Core family, most believe it’ll be a much better showing compared to the company’s recent efforts.
To that end, WCCFTech has come across what it claims are the first verified benchmarks of the Zen platform courtesy of the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark database. It is worth noting, however, that these results are from an engineering sample of the chip and may not accurately represent the performance of the final product brought to market.
The tests, which were conducted on August 6 and August 9 (two versions were tested, it seems), were run in conjunction with a Radeon RX 480. Using comparable hardware runs from the database, the publication found the Zen ES sample to be 38 percent faster than the AMD FX-8350, about 10 percent faster than Intel’s Core i5-4670K and around 11 percent slower than a Core i7-4790.
So, what’s the verdict? It’s hard to say for sure. Keep in mind that the Zen ES samples tested had a low base clock of 2.8GHz (boost to 3.2GHz). If the retail product is pushing speeds closer to 4GHz, performance will no doubt improve significantly.
It’s also worth pointing out that the Zen ES is being compared to Intel’s three-year-old Haswell processors. The Core i5-4670K has just four cores and four threads while the Core i7-4790 antiestéticatures four cores and eight threads and both are built on a 22nm process. The Zen ES reports eight cores, 16 threads and is a 14nm part yet it can’t keep pace with Intel’s old chips?
Making matters even worse for AMD is the fact that Intel is planning to release Cannonlake, its 10nm die shrink of Kaby Lake, next year. AMD has said it doesn’t expect to ship Zen with full market availability until sometime in 2017.
Nothing is official at this hour but if the benchmarks are indeed legitimate, it's not a great start for Zen. Then again, it's just a single set of benchmarks we have so even if they are legit, it's tough to draw full conclusions based on them alone.
Como postee hace unos meses, todo dependería de las expectativas y de las filtraciones de benchmark que estaban deseando salir ¿ Vosotros que hariais visto estas filtraciones? ¿Vender? o ¿aguantar y esperar hasta que toque los 8 dolares como objetivo?.
Visto lo visto y para ser fiel a mi idea principal (se hablaba de un rendimiento superior a un intel I7 5960X y resulta que queda muy atras) creo que venderé.
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Ya hay imágenes del nuevo procesador Zen, donde con sus 8 núcleos/16 subprocesos AMD tiene resultados similares al Broadwell-E con 16 subprocesos de Intel en tareas con múltiples subprocesos (aunque han bajado la frecuencia del procesador Intel para igualarlo con el de AMD)
AMD Announces the ZEN CPU Core, Details "Summit Ridge" | techPowerUp
AMD Announces the ZEN CPU Core, Details "Summit Ridge" | techPowerUp
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Ha roto la resistencia de los 7 dólares por accion ... cuando inicié el hilo estaban a 4.40 aprox y venian de 1.86 en Enero ...
El objetivo razonable son los 8 dolares por acción una vez visto los benchmarks filtrados de zen ....
De la GPU Vega aun no se sabe nada ...
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Solo una cosa: la prueba de la que hablas es muy específica, así que el resultado no es concluyente en absoluto.
Sin embargo, en la que se usa el Ashes de unos mensajes más arriba, que para colmo está programado para brillar en una plataforma AMD, el chip Zen presenta un cuello de botella brutal, estando con la misma frecuencia que el Intel... eso solo puede significar que, dado que en dicho benchmark se manejan muchos tipos de datos distintos, así como muchos tipos de instrucciones, Zen tiene un resultado muy malo... peor que el de mi vetusto 3930K de hace CUATRO AÑOS, que para colmo lo alimento con gráficas Nvidia de la serie 900, contra las que está programado el juego.
Sin embargo, en la que se usa el Ashes de unos mensajes más arriba, que para colmo está programado para brillar en una plataforma AMD, el chip Zen presenta un cuello de botella brutal, estando con la misma frecuencia que el Intel... eso solo puede significar que, dado que en dicho benchmark se manejan muchos tipos de datos distintos, así como muchos tipos de instrucciones, Zen tiene un resultado muy malo... peor que el de mi vetusto 3930K de hace CUATRO AÑOS, que para colmo lo alimento con gráficas Nvidia de la serie 900, contra las que está programado el juego.
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RAZONES:
-El mercado del refresh de las nuevas consolas actuales y en camino (play4k y XBOX4k) es completamente suyo.
-Salida en Junio: Nueva tarjeta RX 480 de menos de 200 euros que rinde practicamente igual (5.5 TFLOPS vs 6 TFLOPS de nvidia) que una nVIDIA 980ti de casi 700 euros.
AMD's Radeon RX 480 brings high-end graphics to the masses for just $200 | PCWorld
Dos RX 480X en crossfire (400 euros) superan a una nVIDIA 1080 (800 euros)
- Salida en Octubre: Procesador AMD ZEN de menos de 300 euros, equipara en rendimiento a un tope de gama de Intel como el 5960X de 1000 euros.
Computex 2016: AMD nos presenta su nueva arquitectura ZEN - Benchmarkhardware
Una compañia como AMD con un capital de mercado de 3500 millones de dolares superando a un monstruo como nVIDia de 25 mil millones y contra un puro tiranosaurio como Intel de 150 mil millones.
APUESTO QUE SE DOBLARA O TRIPLICARA SU PRECIO.
Lo de la RX 480 es un buen chiste, :XX::XX::XX::XX:
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El hardware ya puede ser todo lo bueno que quiera , que si el software no acompaña , se queda en un elemento
Y me parece que ahí es donde menos bazas tiene AMD
Y me parece que ahí es donde menos bazas tiene AMD
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Subiendo +6%... Lo veo en subida libre.